My Swing Trade Setup
Posted by lionel319 @ Tue 22 Sep, 09, 05:15PM under My Trades
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I always believe that, as a trader, we should always have a nice trading setup that suits our lifestyle (time, commitment, etc) instead of the other way round. Most importantly, the trader should feel as comfortable as possible using the trading setup that they chose/created. Most importantly, everything in the setup should make sense. Every bit and little pieces of the entire thing should feel ..... right and comfortable.

I'm a guy who stays outside of the States, in Malaysia actually (12 hour difference), and have a normal 8-5 day job, and thus, day trading was definitely out of the question for me. I've tried some other time frames of trading methods, but still, I still find myself most comfortable with swing trading,and thus, this is what I came up with.

 

 


Overview

I prefer playing on something which has a higher probability of success. What I'm looking at here, is to find a continuous uptrend/downtrend stock, and get into the trade during a brief pullback/pushback, with an acceptable risk/reward ratio. To even further make my winning probability higher, I will only trade LONG, during and only when the overall market is in a continuous up-trending stage. Vice versa.

 

 

Rules

These are the rules that I came up with, to filter out the stocks that I might be, but not necessary will be trading. (Note: All the rules below are mainly for long trades. Short trades is the exact opposite of it). The below are the few definitions of those statements I've stated in the overview.

1. Continuous Uptrending stock
- 10MA above 30MA, 30MA above 50MA
- 30MA and 50MA is pointing upwards.

2. Brief pullback
- 5-day Wm%R is below the -70, showing a sign of brief oversold.

3. Acceptable Risk/Reward
- Anything above a 1:2 ratio is acceptable for me.

 

 

Trade Management

1. Place an immediate stop lost once the trade is on, based on the previous swing-low

2. Once the trade touches +1R, immediately sell half of the position, and trail the rest of the 1/2 at break-even.

3. Let the rest run. Most of the time, I prefer trailing it 1R below when the close reaches a new R. But if sometimes, there's a selling signal, I might just sell it of.

 

 

Summary

So, let's go thru the summary again, step by step

1. SPY(Overall Market) has got to be in a continuous up trending stage.

2. SPY has got to be in a brief pullback(oversold).

3. The stock that we are gonna trade has got to be in a continuous up trending stage.

4. The stock that we are gonna trade has got to be in a brief pullback too.

5. The stock that we are gonna trade has got to have a risk/reward ratio of at least 1:2

 

And with all the rules laid out, Let's take a look at one of a recent trade.

 

 




Here's the chart of the SPY on 2nd Sept, 2009

1. The market is in a continuous up trend, with 10MA above 30MA, and 30MA above 50MA, and their respective 30MA & 50MA are both pointing upwards.

2. The market is currently in a brief pullback(oversold) session. Notice that the Wm%R(5) is below the -70 region.

And thus, we are going to look for LONG trades.

 

 

And here is the candidate that we will be looking, WMB. (I got all my candidate scans here)

1. 10MA is above 30MA, and 30MA is above 50MA

2. Both the 30MA and 50MA is pointing upwards.

3. It's in a brief pulllback, with the Wm%R(5) currently below -70.

 

 

The last thing to check would be to see whether its risk/reward ratio is worth our effort to take this bet.

From the above chart, the horizontal lines are the place of the stops. We can see if we enter the trade, and expect that this trade were to stall around the previous high/peak, it is gonna give us a trade of slightly better than 1:2, and thus, this is a trade which is worth our betting.

And once again, here will be the trading action plan:-

1. We will enter this LONG trade only if the stock trades above 16.28.
2. Once the trade is in place, an initial stop will be placed at the previous swing low, (which is actually today's low) at 15.80.
3. If the stock touches +1R at 16.76, we will immediately sell 1/2 of our position, and trail the rest at break even, (which is at the entry point, 16.28)
4. The rest of the position, we will trail it below 1R of the close, or based on the condition.

 

And here's the later stage on the Trade Management when we're in the trade:-

After 3 days, the stock gap up and hit our 1st target, 1R(16.76). We immediately sold 1/2, and trail stop at +1R(16.76), as the stock actually closed above +2R(17.24). Furthermore, this newly formed gap should sustain as the immediate support, and if the stock close below this gap, then is shows that the uptrend is somewhat deteriorating, thus, this stop around this point make sense.

 

 

 

 

A few days later, the stock closes right at +4R(18.20) level. Stop was immediately pushed up to +3R (17.72)

 

 

 

 

Luck was on our side. The stock closed above +5R(18.68) a few days later. We moved our trailing stop lost up to +4R(18.20)

 

 

 

 

We finally got stopped out on the 18th of September. All in all, we sold 1/2 of our position when it touches 1R, and sold another 1/2 at around +4R. That makes this trade a +2.5R trade, which is not a bad one.

 

 

10 Jan 2010

After detail research looking at my trading track records, and much consideration, I personally found out that, scaling out from my winning trades actually didn't help much in improving my winning Rs. Instead, the additional commission fee of having to close my trade twice actually ate up a whole big chunk of my profit.

And as such, I've decided not to sell 1/2 of my position when it touches +1R.

From now on, the entire position of my trades will be trailed 1 R below the closing R.

 

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lionel319 @ Mon 08-02-10 11:36PM
@Guest: When it closes on the next R.
Guest @ Mon 08-02-10 11:22PM
Regarding your change in stop management of Jan 10; are you going to only move your stop up when the trade clears the next R or always trail it 1R below the highest close? thanks
lionel319 @ Tue 20-10-09 09:16AM
@wellray: You are right. Most of the time, I'm actually siting on the sideline, or just managing my trade.

As for which instruments u use to gauge the market, that is totally up to each individual's preferences.

I normally use the SPY for my scans to filter out candidates for me. After that, i do still take a closer look at the overall market sentiment to determine whether or not to take a trade today.

Sometimes, looking at how a specific sector performs gives you a clues on how the sector of your stock is performing compared to the overall market.
wellray @ Tue 20-10-09 06:54AM
actually let me rephrase, could you use the Dow, Nasdaq, Russell 2000, to gauge market sentiment and select candidates from these markets to trade on?
wellray @ Tue 20-10-09 06:43AM
Hey Lionel, that makes sense, however looking at the 6-month SPY chart, does it mean you'd have no bets during the uptrend between July 13 and Aug 17? Also if SPY starts going sideways, do you wait until it begins trending?
lionel319 @ Sat 17-10-09 01:08PM
@wellray: normally, most of the time, individual stocks will follow the direction of an overall market's move.

It actually increases your winning probability if u enter long when the market(SPY) has gone thru a pullback, rather than when the market is overbought.
wellray @ Sat 17-10-09 07:36AM
hi q on SPY criteria: this is measuring current market sentiment (which is bullish), as you're going long following a pullback, why do you wait for a similar SPY pullback, what's the logic? btw thx for all the great info
wellray @ Sat 17-10-09 07:36AM
hi q on SPY criteria: this is measuring current market sentiment (which is bullish), as you're going long following a pullback, why do you wait for a similar SPY pullback, what's the logic? btw thx for all the great info
lionel319 @ Sat 10-10-09 09:23AM
@Guest:

For me, I'm using a 1% of my total portfolio as my R.

16.28 because that is the high of the previous day. For this example, if the high of the previous day is breached, I assume that somewhat the resistance is broken, and this should warrant a long signal.
Guest @ Sat 10-10-09 09:06AM
Hi,

Thank you for sharing.
What do you use to calculate your capital exposure per trade(which I guess determines your R).
Second, any particular reason for choosing 16.28 in the example above for the buy-stop?

Thx!
lionel319 @ Fri 09-10-09 02:02PM
@Andras: Glad that you like it.

First of, I personally like the strategy of selling the 1st half at +1R, and let the rest run. A few advantages that I can see here with this is:-

1. It immediately locks you with a very small gain, and still let you ride with the trend, opening for further possible gain.

2. You are virtually trading this position with NO MORE RISK (notice the word 'virtually'). Because, you already took 0.5R, and u already set the stop lost for rest at breakeven. It's like for this trade, you are loosing nothing, but are having the chance of unlimited gain. Emotionally, and psycologically, it really helps. I would really like to get into this state ASAP.

3. A lot of times, I found out that, my swing-trade method, (which i get in after a brief pullback from an oversold condition) does an immediate turnaround. There are a number of times whereby some of the stocks just doesn't have enough strength to go on, and came back and stopped me out at a -1R lost. It doesn't seem a lot at first glance, but with those small lil -1R cuts, it will slowly bled you to death. I'm willing to take lesser gains by selling 1/2 at +1R, rather than taking lots of small lil cuts(-1R), which is really fatal in the long run.

I hope that answers your question.
Andras @ Fri 09-10-09 04:14AM
Lionel: Thanks for sharing your strategy – very educational. Quick question: unless you get stopped out before reaching +1R, you close each position in two parts. First, you close half of it at +1R, and then you sell the other half later (either getting stopped out of your trailed stop, or selling into overbought conditions). Have you made yourself a statistics about the results of these two closing strategies? If yes, can you share it with us? My thinking is that if one of the closing strategies works much better on average than the other, then why not just pursue that one only? I understand the psychology of booking some gains at +1R, but if holding positions and trailing the stop offers better overall results then it makes sense to hold the whole position longer. Vice versa, if it is more profitable to book early gains, then it makes sense to do it on the whole position. I am really curious of your results. Best regards,
Andras
lionel319 @ Tue 06-10-09 09:44AM
@Guest: Nope. We do not have capital gain tax in Malaysia. Only dividend will be taxed. That's another good reason why it's not very worth it to buy+hold high paying dividend stocks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gains_tax#Malaysia
lionel319 @ Tue 06-10-09 09:37AM
Norb: Exactly !!! You've got it right. Entering trades everyday will get you whipsawed out every now and then. At first, the small tiny cuts seem painless, but a thousand of those small cuts might bleed you to death eventually.
Guest @ Tue 06-10-09 03:04AM
what kind of taxes do you have to pay on cap gains there in malaysia?
Norb @ Tue 06-10-09 01:27AM
Hi!

I'm a begginer who is struggling with this kind of trading.

My method is 90% like yours but, I'm getting really poor results.

The big difference between your system and mine is the timming and I'd like to ask you about it.

You say "SPY has got to be in a brief pullback"

Does this mean you only enter (long) trades those single days?

I mean, for the last months, did you only start trades on July-10, Ago-19, Sep-2 and today (Oct-5)?

I'm searching for new trades every single day and I only try to avoid entering trades when S&P500 is not trending. Maybe my mistake is there?

On the other hand, if understood correctly, it also means you haven't entered any short selling trade since March?

Thank you very much.
lionel319 @ Mon 05-10-09 10:20PM
@Guest: No particular reason. The MAs are there just to make my scans filter out those stocks which are NOT trending, which is, their 30MA & 50MA not pointing at the same direction. The main point here is to get a list of stocks showing up in your scans which are 'mostly' in an nice uptrend. Some of the stocks which got into the scans, which doesn't fit to my liking will be also be eliminated late on. ;)
Guest @ Mon 05-10-09 10:14PM
Any particular reason why you chose 30& 50 days for your moving averages? The 30 in particular seems out of the ordinary.
lionel319 @ Mon 05-10-09 11:24AM
@Guest: No problem :)
Guest @ Mon 05-10-09 11:13AM
I really appreciate your kindness of further sharing!
lionel319 @ Mon 05-10-09 11:00AM
@Guest: The horizontal lines are basically my initial risk. The lowest like is always my initial stop lost point, followed by the next line, which will be my buy stop point. The range between those 2 lines will be your R value. Once that 2 point are defined, I'll plug the numbers in here, and then the subsequent lines will be calculated. You can do that manually with a calculator too :)
Guest @ Mon 05-10-09 10:52AM
Lionel, Thanks for sharing. Do you mind elaborating on how you decide those horizontal lines used as your stops and the relationship between stops and how you compute the risk/reward ratio? Many thanks!
lionel319 @ Mon 05-10-09 10:28AM
@Guest: No problem. Glad that u liked it. :)
Guest @ Mon 05-10-09 10:17AM
Lionel, thanks for sharing your rules. I am in a similar situation wrt job and trading.
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